Lets begin.
Corbin Adal wrote:You say that the drama is in the way? Stop paying attention. Stop getting involved. There is a TON of drama revolving around the Ops and none of it has to do with the gameplay. It's all a ridiculous blur of OOC and IC, which I personally can't stand. My character is not me and I am not my character. But it seems that a lot of people have issues with that idea, and it burns into drama in the OOC.
Long story short: Don't close OOC. Leave OOC instead. It was asserted in the channel recently by Infernis that if we got rid of OOC, people would adjust. I assert that the sentiment is true, but that the Ops who don't like the OOC channel should "adjust" by staying away from it and from the drama within.
If new players show up, they won't get raped. They'll get directed to #tli-ops and it'll be done. Simple.
First. I'd like to know how you 'think' the Ops are having all this drama that has anything to do with you? I'd be VERY curious to know that. Off topic. Subject.
Second. Its our job. There are rules in the OOC. I'm sure you must know this. So telling us not to notice it when its 'brought' to us. All the time. Is silly in the extreme.
If new players show up you'll just tell them to join the ops channel.. Right.. So you'll be staying in channel 24/7 will you? Forgive me if this sounds rather sarcastic, it is meant to be. You haven't said any real reason or valid reason to the OOC staying open and frankly, the Drama that was caused around you while this was going on, simply seems to show our point about the drama in the OOC.. and what happens because of it. Not to mention Fariday, having an Op on ignore and stating so, insulting the Ops that weren't even speaking to him until he started insulting them. But somehow, there is no drama going on and everything is cheerful, right?
I'm not sure in all truth, I'm following your thought system here Corbin. At all. Regardless, thank you for your thoughts. Who knows what might stick in the mind.
Adonai! To be perfectly honest, if folks opened their own chat box rooms, more power to them. Then they can govern their own channels, make their own rules, enforce their own rules and deal with the drama that occurs on their own. Then perhaps they'll understand exactly why sometimes its best to just bite the lip and go on to more fun things. I would love to do nothing in the ooc but joke about, and help folks out. Thats it! No big secret. Thank you for your thoughts.
Callie. I thought your words were perhaps cool headed but I'm not sure a grand reasoning. A point is made however of how will you know if the shops are open? Go to town IC'ly and find out. I know its rather simplistic sounding but then again, we may actually get people doing their jobs and real role play happening because of it. I rather like the thought. Onto your second statement. I have kicked them out. I have banned. Much to chagrin of those that were kicked and banned. They run to the board and further the drama rather then taking the hint to stop. I actually HATE yelling at an adult. I would much rather talk about the latest book I'm reading. So would they I would imagine. I find it completely foolish to be telling an adult to act like an adult.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Twerlinger: If the OOC were shut down, we would be sure to have ops in every IC channel doing the jobs we were first asked to do, so I'm pretty sure you would know when the ops were on, I would make sure of it.
Thank you for your thoughts.
Voknali. Thank you for your thoughts.
Miyuka, very good point. Thank you for your thoughts.
Devidial: A most thought provoking post and I appreciate the respectful tone given. I appreciate more that you've given all of us something to steer our thoughts to. Thank you.
Echo: You didn't start some war my dear. This is not your fault. This is merely the straw that was put upon the camels back, so to speak and has been building for a few years now. Its just one more thing added. We all have great advice, but only you know what you want. Thats important. You should speak up, but next time, just bring it to an Op or, quietly PM a friend and get their opinion. Sometimes, knowing what you can and cannot do makes the difference. Do NOT feel badly. I believe you did the correct thing.
Infernis: I think I can agree with relaxing the lurk in an IC channel if the OOC is no longer there. I think it was Sarai that said it used to work well. I thought it a good point by her actually. God I hope I'm spelling her nick correct or she might hit me with a frying pan. Thank you for your thoughts.
Ylith. Well said, thought provoking as well. Thank you.
Thria: Sound reasoning in some points, not sound in others. Desdeamona was made to keep Stats, Levels desc, dice shop items. Not to do a patrol and keep other information and shes already having more then enough within her robotic like text to make up a kingdom for real. I'm unclear on your last suggestion, if its a suggestion at all. It really isn't about US losing the drama, its about the Drama being lost. Completely. While I realize this is a pipe dream, and its fairly laughable, there is to much drama, way to much, over OOC issues IC and what not that gets dragged from one end of the place to the next, and yes, it does affect IC. It does indeed. Person A can't stand Person C but adore Person B, but Person A and C play with B. Person A bitches about person B to Person C..... Drama begins.. Yes, it happens. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not. We are human. With human emotions. I get human, trust me. I sure the hell am human to the 2xPower! But.. Somewhere, someone has to say, enough.. to much. But thank you for your thoughts.
Ahh Keri, such a sweet girl. Can I bottle you up? You make me smile. Actually, many of these posts have had me smiling. Whether anyone agrees with everything here or not, what you all have done so far? Is agree that you care.. if you care, there is hope things can find a way to work out. Thats real progress. Not just me yelling, the ops yelling, giving boots and bans. It might solve that particular issue but it never quite solves 'all' that is needed. A band aide only covers so much :/