What does all this mean to us, and to you? Pretty much nothing
Most of this will not be visible to the general user as it is all 'behind the scenes' type stuff. The major impact would be in the area of the IRCD in use. What does that mean? Well IRCD is The Internet Relay Chat Daemon. And what is that? That is the program/application that each computer in the sorcerynet network runs that makes IRC work - in Windows terms it would be a Service. It handles syncronisation between servers so that what you type is visible (as soon as possible) to everyone sharing the channel/window where you typed the text and that any user or channel modes are common.Session Start: Fri Feb 27 21:52:44 2015
Session Ident: #square
03[21:52] * Now talking in #square
03[21:52] * Topic is 'Welcome to #Square - SorceryNets official channel, while we're holding this meeting regarding the IRCD we're going to be opening the room up to people to talk and discuss once we've done a brief introduction, during this time the channel will be muted. Thanks for joining.'
03[21:52] * Set by JC!Scotz@sorcery.net on Fri Feb 27 20:54:36
06[21:52] * Ehlanna waves at all the lovely IRCOps
[21:53] <@James> I'll be muting the channel in 5 minutes so you all know
[21:53] <TekTeenz> But how will you listen to my lovely singing voice.
[21:53] <Susista> Ooh, funny people
06[21:53] * Susista waves to all~
[21:54] <Natashka> But but but but but but but but
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[21:55] <KindOne> lol..
[21:57] <@James> tis a Purps!
[21:57] <@James> how's it going?
[21:57] <Purps> Shhh it's a secret.
[21:57] <@James> oh right
[21:57] <Marginal> oontz oontz oontz oontz
06[21:57] * @James shuushs
06[21:57] * Purps is a busy person these days, but always has time to come by and cause a scene
[21:57] <KindOne> giving ~30 minutes notice is not enough time imo,
[21:57] <Susista> A-sandy-sa a squashed banana~
[21:57] <Zed> Is it happening yet
[21:58] <Natashka> blah blah blah blah blah
[21:58] <@James> KindOne; i gave 3 hours notice too
[21:58] <+Carnivore> Well, he's been giving notice over the last couple days, so if someone missed it, not much he can do
[21:58] <@Mloc> and 24 hours, and 48..
[21:58] <@James> yup
[21:58] <@Mloc> and a email, but nobody reads those
[21:58] <Skydancer> ^^
[21:58] <KindOne> meh.. I dont look at my notices tab
[21:58] <@James> also, it's over 2 nights
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[21:58] <KindOne> >.>
06[21:58] * Purps rubs JC's belly for good luck.
[21:58] <Zed> And chances are, anyone who missed the notices just might not be interested in the topic that'll be discussed
[21:58] <@James> tomorrow is a repeat of tonight for those that miss it
[21:59] <@James> weeee thanks Purps
03[21:59] * James sets mode: +v Purps
[21:59] <Susista> Ah, so don't need to attend two nights in a row?
[21:59] <@James> nope
[21:59] <Susista> I feel so dejected
[21:59] <Susista> Okay~
[21:59] <Natashka> Phew I'm busy tomorrow moring
[21:59] <Susista> It's good to know - I'm supposed to be hosting tomorrow.
[21:59] <Natashka> 9am lets gooooo
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[22:01] <+boop> woo
[22:01] <+boop> wait +m
[22:01] <@James> heya boop
06[22:01] * +boop shuts up
[22:01] <@James> lol it's ok
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[22:01] <@James> i'm going to give it 30 more seconds then i'm going to start, logs will be availble to share out at the end of it
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[22:02] <@James> And we begin
[22:03] <@James> First of all, Thanks everyone for coming, as I'm sure some of you read there are 2 meetings, one now and one in 24 hours, so you're all aware the meeting in 24 hours is going to be the exact same but we're going to repeat it for those who are still at work today, Saturday being a busier day for us here we figured it makes sense!
03[22:03] * Bot sets mode: +o Ccomp5950
[22:03] <@James> Next I just want to point out that this is all about information sharing, we have as a staff group made decisions for the network and this meeting is to not only tell you about them but as I'm sure some people will have questions, answer them!
[22:03] <@James> While some people will not like all the decisions we hope you understand the reasons behind them and see what we're doing for the network. This is not something we do for personal gain or glory we keep this network going for you guys and gals, the users, We hope you can understand that and respect it.
[22:03] <@James> Our goal and focus on this network is now and always has been the users, it will also always be about the users.
[22:03] <@James> Some of you will have noticed some of the changes we've made leading up to this such as GeoDNS and the introduction of 3 new servers, 2 in the US and 1 in the EU all in new geographical locations for the network leading to improved stability and fewer time outs thanks to GeoDNS putting you on the best servers for your location. This is only one of many of the things we've been working on and tonig
[22:03] <@James> ht is about sharing with you some of the bigger ones, as they will impact you as channel owners and users we're taking this opportunity to involve you before we open up the public test net again for you all to play and learn.
[22:03] <@James> Tonight we're discussing 3 things. The IRCD the network uses, The Webchat & Finally the Website
[22:03] <@James> Without further waffle from me, let's get on.
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[22:03] <@James> i'll give you all a minute or so to read that
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[22:05] <@James> Ok, so the big one i'm sure most of you are interested in is the IRCD, SorceryNet will be switching to Inspircd - http://www.inspircd.org/ - It's a very versatile IRCD and it meets our needs, We have in the past always used a fork of different ircd's or in some cases our own, however we're looking to future proof the network as we find fewer and fewer coders
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[22:06] <@James> joining to the staff team, as such we're looking for groups we can work with to ensure the network will always be updated, potential security flaws are found and patched in quick time, moving onto a public IRCD like this will allow us to do it easily
[22:07] <@James> (For those who missed the intro: http://privatepaste.com/1b887b2bf3 )
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[22:08] <@James> Part of moving to a new IRCD especially one so far removed from our current one will always be the struggle to match user and channel modes, sadly it's just not going to happen, we did discuss writing changes to make them identical but we'd end up back at square one... future proofing the network. So the descion has been made to not do that this time
[22:09] <@James> instead we're going to share with you 2 documents you can take time to look over which compares the 2 sets of modes, what we use now and what's available on inspircd, please note while ALL modes are listed for Inspircd including their modules, not all of these will be used they're just there for you to see everything available
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[22:10] <@James> We have had a testnet in place for 2 months now, this is something that in the future before we make the change will be open to the public for you all to play and learn on. There will be some adjustments to learn, but Services will remain the exact same, so you don't need to learn new ways to add ops or that, it's purely the channel and user modes.
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[22:11] <@James> One of the big things about thie switch and i think it's something you will all appreciate, We will now be able to be far more proactive about spambots and floodbots hitting the network, we're limited currently and it's a big part of the push for the change... We want to do more so your days on irc are impacted less by these fuckwits who spam and abuse
03[22:12] * Bot sets mode: +o ^Faye^
[22:12] <@James> You can view the documents here:
[22:12] <@James> User Modes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yf8b3cp2nfaps ... .xlsx?dl=0
[22:12] <@James> Channel Modes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/95l6m557bmrk5 ... .xlsx?dl=0
[22:13] <@James> I am going to unmute the channel now, please try to refrain from typing unless you have a question to start with so we don't get flooded. Thankyou all for being here.
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[22:14] <Tritium> So no big policy changes? Just...a software switch?
[22:14] <@James> yup
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[22:14] <Trigger> Is there added or removed usermodes?
01[22:14] <Ehlanna> My main question would be about integration with eggdropand.or windrop bots, is theer any known conflict?
[22:14] <Reality> o.o
[22:14] <Walker> Will this effect layout/design or will the chat look the same for the most part?
[22:14] <KindOne> eh.. why not a stock charybdis? this ircd some old version of charybdis with some tweaks and stuff...
[22:14] <Tritium> Trigger: they are totally changed.
[22:14] <Tritium> (except for the rfc modes)
[22:15] <Reality> Ya'll should have this about psionics...
[22:15] <Reality> and sorcery...
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[22:15] <@James> Trigger; there are simliar modes, but different uses, it's worth reading the documents to compare.
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[22:15] <@James> Ehlanna: there will be no issues with that afaik
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[22:15] <@James> Walker: chat will be identical from a client point of view
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[22:16] <Walker> Perfect
[22:16] <@James> KindOne: we've decided against that.
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[22:16] <+nate> KindOne: Likely a variety of reasons, the heavy dependence on anope is probably the main reason (as it originally took effort in getting their current chary fork working with it if memory serves correctly)
[22:16] <@Ccomp5950> Ehlanna, There shouldn't be any issues, channel modes may change so if you have a bot administrating those there might be some changes except for the standard ones.
[22:16] <Tritium> James: are we keeping anope? if so, are you flushing the modelocks on migration?
01[22:16] <Ehlanna> Ok, thanks James, just that our bot enforces certain modes
[22:16] <KindOne> nate, anope+charybdis works just fine
[22:16] <+Carnivore> My question is, would the new ircd allow for colored vhosts?
[22:16] <Trigger> Thats alot for me todigest right off the bat
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[22:16] <@James> Ehlanna: the basic modes like bans etc are all the same some differences but not many
[22:17] <@James> Carnivore: it's not something we're going to support.
[22:17] <illusion> Target date for implementation?
[22:17] <@James> KindOne: it does work, but again after much discussion we've decided not to go down that route
[22:17] <@James> illusion: when testing is finished
[22:17] <+nate> KindOne: Well at the time sorircd was forked it didn't I believe, chary though really (obviously at that) is really aimed more at being hooked in with atheme
[22:17] <illusion> tx
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[22:18] <@James> illusion: we don't have any set dates, we're not rushing anything though
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[22:18] <Zed> Any list of the modes that'll ultimately make it; i.e. which modules will be installed?
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[22:18] <illusion> ty
[22:18] <trapped> James: will Sorcery's production code be a fork of inspircd or will inspircd be tailored for Sorcery's needs?
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[22:18] <+Adam> nate well, some things have changed since 2010
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[22:19] <lrocket> James, do you predict this'll have any changes on ipv6 connectivity?
[22:19] <Tritium> trapped: the point is to use an off the shelf solution, due to lack of coders
[22:19] <@James> trapped: we're not forking anything and we're not having anything changed - the idea behind this is to make it so we don't need to keep in house programmers
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[22:19] <@James> lrocket: nope servers support it, network will continue to support it
[22:19] <@Ccomp5950> lrocket, IPv6 should be good to go.
[22:19] <lrocket> alright, thanks
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[22:19] <+Carnivore> It's not related directly to the change, but what has caused the programmer shortage?
[22:20] <Trigger> Can I set usermodes myself from inside my room?
[22:20] <Reality> So none of meh questions gonna be answered >_<
[22:20] <Tritium> How does this affect services? what will we loose in the migration?
[22:20] <@James> Reality?
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[22:20] <@James> i didn't see a question
06[22:20] * Indica didn't either...
[22:20] <Marginal> @carnivore -- crop failure in northern Tanzania and mad cow disease
[22:20] <+Adam> Tritium this has nothing to do with services.
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[22:20] <@James> Tritium: it won't affect services at all
[22:20] <@Mloc> Trigger, usermodes are global, '/mode Tritium +i'
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06[22:21] * +nate will simply hope inspircd managed to get past their "lets release a broken version every other patch" days
[22:21] <Tritium> James: well obviously it will, re: modelocks and such...
[22:21] <Reality> It was an indirect question.#
[22:21] <KindOne> nate, bahahahahaha
[22:21] <+Carnivore> Maybe make a direct question so the people here can help you, Reality. They aren't mind readers.
[22:21] <@Ccomp5950> Tritium, Services aren't changing.
[22:21] <+nate> wasn't really trying to be funny, that shit used to screw up stuff for people fairly frequently :/
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[22:22] <+Adam> once again I refer you to
[22:22] <+Adam> (17:19:07) <+Adam> nate well, some things have changed since 2010
[22:22] <Tritium> Ccomp5950: no. but they will have to be reconfigured to link with the new ircds, and features get turned on an off in that process...
[22:22] <Tritium> nevermind
[22:22] <Reality> Why is there so much emphasis on the layouts and all of that programming stuff, and not much emphasis on actual psionics...
[22:22] <+nate> Adam: And yet other things clearly don't, so
[22:22] <@James> Tritium: it won't be an issue i know what you mean about modelocks
[22:22] <+Adam> we aren't talking about other things, are we?
[22:22] <Tritium> Reality: this is a role playing game community, primarily....
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[22:23] <Tritium> James: gotcha
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[22:23] <Reality> But it says this chatroom is interested about the changes of socery.net...
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[22:24] <Reality> It said that in Veritas irc...
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[22:24] <Tritium> the changes being made are arc....thanks
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[22:24] <Trigger> as a room owner and operator, yes this does affect me and my users.
[22:24] <Keiro> Inspircd, eh?
[22:24] <KindOne> ugh.. I hate that
[22:25] <Keiro> Why inspircd, instead of say... Unreal?
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[22:25] <Deloth> Will this affect Nickserv processes? Will I have to edit my auto-login script?
[22:25] <@James> Someone asked about a lack of programers - basically while there are lots of programmers out there, those that want to work on an IrcD on their own or even as a very small group are few and far between, the changes we need aren't often enough to keep their attention etc it's an awkward way forward and people move on
[22:25] <+nate> Keiro: Unreal is maintained by one individual, who kicks out a release every once in a blue moon
[22:25] <@James> mp Deloth@
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[22:25] <@James> argh
[22:25] <@James> Deloth: no
[22:26] <Keiro> Curious, not criticizing
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[22:26] <KindOne> nate, lolno thats just wrong
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[22:26] <+nate> Kindone: Since when? Syzop was still the only person activelly doing the 3.2~ branch
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[22:26] <Tritium> Syzop isnt even on the project anymore iirc
[22:26] <+nate> I know 3.4 had a few people working on it but that had a single alpha release nearly a year ago
[22:26] <CSIStormreach> Will you have the majority of InspirIRCD modules loaded?
[22:26] <KindOne> I fail to see how https://www.unrealircd.org/ is once in every blue moon
[22:26] <@kobok> One of the improvements that I consider most important for users, that I didn't see James mention, is that the new ircd should improve our ability to block spam and flooders.
[22:27] <@James> i did mention that
[22:27] <Tritium> kobok: he did
[22:27] <CSIStormreach> ^^ first thing
[22:27] <+Carnivore> He said that
[22:27] <@kobok> Well, okay.
[22:27] <@Mloc> I think he gets it :p
[22:27] <KindOne> nate, you act as if you need a release every other week or so
[22:27] <@James> CSIStormreach: no - we're only loading the modules the network needs/matching current setup - we're not interested in coloured vhosts for example
[22:27] <@Ccomp5950> Did we mention blocking spam and flooders?
[22:27] <@Ccomp5950> Yeah, that
[22:28] <CSIStormreach> James: I meant more in reference for halfop etc. I see you listing it as a mode on the comare chart.
[22:28] <Keiro> Personally, I would consider inspircd a good choice.
[22:28] <CSIStormreach> That and upon request the ability to keep a channel with modes even though userless
[22:28] <@James> CSIStormreach: as we offer halfop currently, yes that would be part of it
[22:28] <Tritium> by the way, as someone who works on bots, thank you for not doing something silly like letting control codes into the vhosts
[22:29] <@Chainsaw> Tritium: Control codes are bad enough when people use them to bypass (simple) word filters, yes.
[22:29] <Tritium> I have a regex for that.....
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[22:29] <+nate> KindOne: Of 3.2? Not really no, it's long been stable, but it's still syzop with the overall source control last time I talked to binki and syzop alone that determines when it's good for a stable release
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01[22:30] <Ehlanna> Tritium: can I PM you?
[22:30] <+nate> As for 3.4, it's alpha1 was last july, I'd at least expect another alpha release by -now- if the project was going anywhere
[22:30] <Tritium> Ehlanna: yes...
[22:31] <CSIStormreach> Sorry, had to find the module. More specifically, even on a per request basis will you have permchannels as an option?
[22:31] <KindOne> you can always fork the ircd and work on it yourself
[22:31] <CSIStormreach> Beyond that with early looks I don't see anything "missing"
[22:31] <SpiritSong> Our chatters using chatclients will need to set up our rooms on their chat clients again right?
[22:31] <@Mloc> CSIStormreach, that's what chanserv is for.
[22:32] <+Adam> no. people who aren't channel admins will not notice the change.
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[22:32] <@Ccomp5950> SpiritSong, No.
[22:32] <+Adam> CSIStormreach its offered now so.. probably?
[22:32] <@James> KindOne: nate use to be on unrealirc dev team.... so seems a silly comment
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[22:32] <@Ccomp5950> Same network, same channel names
[22:32] <CSIStormreach> Mloc: Yes, but chanserv won't keep a room +k'd if no one is in it, and will set it +k giving away the key if someone joins.
[22:32] <+nate> KindOne: I think they kinda already noted they're doing this because they don't want to fork
[22:32] <+nate> or was that aimed at me?
[22:32] <SpiritSong> ah ok, thanks, and thats good to know
[22:32] <@James> nate, was aimed at you
[22:32] <+nate> Yeah I'll skip forking unreal myself, that's a ship I'm long glad to be off
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[22:33] <+Adam> CSIStormreach actually with /cs set persist on it will
[22:33] <+Adam> already, anyways
[22:33] <CSIStormreach> oh, tyvm for clarification!
[22:33] <@James> hehe
[22:33] <Natashka> Is that it?
[22:33] <@James> no there's more
[22:33] <@James> this was just the first part
[22:34] <@James> I want to say something though
[22:34] <CSIStormreach> Adam: ty for info, must have "Chanserv Bot" in channel
[22:34] <CSIStormreach> Didn't know that was an option.
[22:35] <@James> It's not going to be a simple process to make the change, but we will be working towards making it as simple as possible and we'll be here to help you every step of the way, We have more staff on board and we're expecting more before the change as well, we're improving our server offering geographically to ensure stability on the network
[22:36] <@James> I say it's not going to be simple, but truthfully it's not going to be complicated either, it's just going to be different for a while - but it'll bring us to a place where we have the network future proofed and that's a big part of it for the admins here
[22:37] <Ryu> Wow, some @'s I haven't seen in a long while.
[22:37] <Natashka> Is there a version for dummies?
[22:37] <Tritium> The biggest problem is not going to be the users, James. They will try and set a mode and it wont work, or do something they didnt expect, and unset it. The BIGGEST problem is going to be script authors and script users.
[22:37] <@Chainsaw> Ryu: Only during ceremonial occasions, yes.
[22:38] <@Ccomp5950> Tritium, you are welcome to login to the test network and try your script there.
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[22:38] <@James> Tritium: i don't think that's going to be as big an issue as you think, from the comparision most modes are identical - there will be very minor changes in how some modes are set
[22:38] <@James> Ccomp5950: not yet he's notbut once it's public he will be
[22:38] <@Ccomp5950> I thought we made it public the other day or am I confused...I guess I am
[22:38] <@James> you're confused
[22:39] <Tritium> I thought i didnt see him post a hostname...
[22:39] <Ryu> I'm confused, but I think thats becuase the wife assaulted me with a frying pan earlier..
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[22:39] <@James> At this time we're still working on the testnet however it will be made public in the coming weeks
[22:40] <Tritium> James: to be fair, i didnt say it was going to be a big problem, just the biggest
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[22:40] <@James> no no i knowjust trying to put your mind at ease a little, i promse when it comes to going live you'll be the first person notified lol
[22:42] <@James> rightyo, 2 other points
[22:42] <@James> Webchat, we're dumping qwebirc for something with more functionality however we've not decided what - this is also being tested - we'll update everyone in a few weeks
[22:42] <@James> and finally
[22:42] <Eiliane> so once this change happens, for those of us that are simply users and not ops or channel administrators, we will just be able to join the network and operate pretty much as usual?
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[22:43] <@James> the website, this is being completely reworked, and i do mean COMPLETELY it will finally be more user friendly and as part of it we'll be implimenting the free webspace for channels which we've been discussing for years
[22:43] <@Mloc> Eiliane, hopefully! :p
[22:43] <@James> Eiliane: Yup
06[22:43] * Eiliane smiles with relief
[22:43] <Tritium> <\3 ... dumping a glorious example of the twisted network framework...
[22:44] <Feorge> Hai
[22:44] <+Carnivore> I'd like to suggest mibbit integration for the webchat. It seems to be the best from what I've used of webchats.
[22:45] <Tritium> mibbit is third party, and worth supporting, but its also worth supporting something self-hosted
[22:45] <@James> it won't be mibbit
[22:45] <KindOne> mibbit is just horrid UI
[22:45] <Tritium> James: what deficencies are you finding with qwebirc?
[22:45] <Eiliane> will it still be something that can be used to join for those users that utelize mibbit now?
[22:45] <KindOne> I really do like qwebirc
[22:46] <@James> Tritium: /ignore, other simple functions etc - qwebirc does it's job but it's lacking in areas for this network
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[22:46] <@kobok> Eiliane: Mibbit will continue to work.
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[22:46] <Marginal> mibbit is the only chat I can access from work. XD;
[22:46] <@James> Eiliane mibbit will still be able to be used, we support it and will continue to
[22:46] <Eiliane> I have friends who aren't tech savvy that use mibbit now and this could be problematic for them
[22:46] <Eiliane> okay, thank you
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[22:47] <Marginal> a self-hosted webchat would be interested, but does that require......... monetization? :O
[22:47] <@James> Marginal: nope we host qewbirc
[22:47] <Feorge> So...what's up here roleplaying guys..!
[22:47] <@James> we host all the servers etc we pay for it all, we don't advertise on the website etc and we never will
[22:47] <@James> we really do do this for the users
[22:47] <KindOne> if you need /ignore, get a real irc client.. or just umode +Rg
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[22:48] <@James> KindOne: that's not always an option for people and it's something we want
[22:48] <KindOne> .. assuming you want to block those silly random pm's
[22:48] <@James> it's not about random pm's there are other reasons for wanting it
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[22:50] <Marginal> hmm, donations-only, is it? so mote it be
[22:50] <Feorge> Magic
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[22:50] <Feorge> is awesome.
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[22:53] <@James> Marginal: we won't take donations
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[22:53] <@Ccomp5950> They really aren't needed.
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[22:54] <pos> I just want to say thanks to all the people who put in time&effort to keep the network running, and thanks for the info
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[22:55] <Tritium> James: when is the last time you updated qwebirc?
[22:55] <Tritium> http://hg.qwebirc.org/qwebirc/src/49a3d ... at=default
[22:55] <@kobok> James: Can we start taking bribes?
[22:56] <@James> Tritium: i believe that was tested and didn't work with some changes we'd made previously for something else, again though it comes down to maintenance
06[22:56] * Cammy gnaws on Chainsaw
[22:56] <@Ccomp5950> Kobok wait are we not supposed to?
[22:56] <@Chainsaw> Cammy: !
[22:57] <@Chainsaw> Cammy: Nice to see you're still around
[22:57] <Zed> How would you go about gnawing on a Chainsaw
[22:57] <@Ccomp5950> Very carefully
[22:57] <Tritium> carefully
[22:57] <Cammy> I'm like a bad rash.
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[22:57] <Susista> With it plugged in on full.
[22:57] <Cammy> Very hard to get rid of.
[22:57] <+nate> Tritium: Ours was slightly out of date, but I tried inheriting that stuff into ours when I was working on it, but I ended up breaking shit impressively
[22:58] <Marginal> no donations?!
[22:58] <Susista> Zed: Same should be said for beaters when making cake. Totally stick your tongue in that bad boy during blending.
[22:58] <Tritium> Its worth testing a fresh install of it
[22:58] <@kobok> Marginal: You could buy the admins a drink when you go to SorceryCon.
[22:59] <+nate> Tritium: Well the main problem is that's all dev-code
[22:59] <@James> Tritium: it wouldn't in the long run as it's just not as updated as others out there, and with a lot less functionality - we're testing options which will make life easier in the long term while being self hosted etc
[22:59] <+nate> the last "Stable" qwebirc released was 2012
[22:59] <Denzine> The planned changes all sound pretty good to me. Thanks for taking the time to inform us.
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[23:00] <+nate> (which is prob why I broke shit impressively when I tried sampling it into our build)
[23:00] <Cammy> Maybe I should write an ircd in ColdFusion
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[23:01] <+nate> Cammy: Every coldfusion project I'm familiar with that still exists are nearly all migrating away finally
[23:01] <+nate> I think even linode's finally redoing their manage away from CFM
[23:01] <Tritium> to vanilla jsp?
[23:01] <Tritium> cause thats only a marginal improvement
[23:01] <+nate> Thankfully linode is a fairly competent company so I imagine no, not JSP
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[23:02] <Cammy> nate, I work for the Federal government. We're about to upgrade a CF server from a version 6 years old to a version only 2 years old.
[23:02] <+nate>
[23:02] <@Ccomp5950> Progress!
[23:02] <+nate> Cammy: So sorry to hear that
[23:02] <Cammy> As long as there's gov't, there'll be ancient crap
[23:02] <+nate> Not me
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06[23:02] * +nate works for the Army and gets to make stuff new
[23:02] <+nate> well
[23:02] <+nate> mostly new
[23:02] <Cammy> I make new stuff too. I just make it in CF
[23:03] <+nate> then again it's for the AGP so we get some priority
[23:03] <Cammy> and since no one writes CF anymore, I sort of get to choose my salary
[23:03] <Tritium> in...ADA?
[23:03] <Cammy> Why do you think I still have an abacus?
[23:03] <+nate> Tritium: ADA? o.O
[23:04] <Tritium> nate: the programming language designed by and for the DoD
[23:04] <Tritium> looks kinda like pascal
[23:04] <+nate> I hear ADA and think american dental association, lol, I hate to be the technical numpty but I think you meant Ada
[23:05] <+nate> Honestly I don't even know what uses Ada anymore
[23:05] <+nate> All our army game stuff is PHP (which I work with primarily for a living, as an auditor largely, so I get to choose my own salary so to say as well
[23:06] <Tritium> same subset of people who still use delphi i would imagin
[23:07] <+Silencieux> Are you going obe installing a potato skin app?
[23:07] <+Silencieux> Or a one for stuffed peppers?
[23:07] <+nate> Tritium: Indeed
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[23:08] <Cammy> Stop talking about food-like things!
[23:08] <Eiliane> Thanks for the info, everyone. *waves*
06[23:08] * +Silencieux snickers
06[23:08] * Susista with that, goes to eat and makes hot chocolate for all the @'ers for being awesome.
[23:08] <Zed> Cammy: If you're hungry, just go back to gnawing that oiled up chainsaw
[23:08] <Tritium> he said stop talking about food
[23:09] <Tritium>
[23:09] <Cammy> Good idea. I bet it's even olive oil
[23:09] <Zed> 'tis sure to be nutritious
[23:09] <Susista> Full of Iron.
[23:09] <Cammy> I can make a sammich with one of ank's socks!
06[23:09] * +nate should probably get some sleep since he has a work shift in 4 hours
06[23:09] * Cammy keeps nate up
06[23:09] * +Silencieux sretches, takes Tritium to the Ballet
[23:09] <@James> Rightyo folks The meeting is over for tonight, you don't have to come to tomorrow's meeting if you don't want to, it's just going to be a rehash of tonight for those who couldn't make it tonight
[23:10] <Star> Thanks for the update and info folks. Y'all rock.
[23:10] <Marginal> kthnxbai!
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[23:10] <Susista> Copy an paste lol
[23:10] <Susista> Night guys! x
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[23:10] <@James> Thank you all
[23:10] <Cammy> Does this mean if we stay here we have to help clean?
[23:10] <+nate> Cammy: I'd prefer not
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[23:10] <+nate> Sadly can't afford to fall asleep considering this one database server has this habit of literally crashing only when I'm not looking
[23:10] <@James> Cammy: no we wouldn't do that to you, the rest can help though
[23:11] <Cammy> yay!
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06[23:11] * Virgil thanks for the updated and the ability to chat
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01[23:11] <Ehlanna> Thanks James,and all
[23:11] <+nate> Pretty sure the DB server is a text book definition of the quantum observer effect
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06[23:11] * +Silencieux hada deliciousroast toddler for Mloc too!
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06[23:11] * Cammy coalesces nate
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[23:12] <@Chainsaw> You can either snap them in half to hold your eyes open, or you can start a fire.
[23:12] <@Chainsaw> Both work
[23:12] <+nate> considering the temps here the fire would likely be more effective
01[23:12] <Ehlanna> Especially together, Chainsaw
[23:12] <Skydancer> first the fire then use them to hold your eyes open
[23:12] <+nate> It's going to be a nice 0°F tonight with a windchill at probably 15 below
[23:13] <+nate> (That's -17C to a windchill of -26C for you euro folks)
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01[23:13] <Ehlanna> Ahh, sleep, perchance to freeze, aye there's the rub ..
[23:14] <+nate> oh no, no freezing in sleep
[23:14] <+Carnivore> I'll rub you while you sleep
[23:14] <+nate> I have this awesome wool full body snuggie thing
[23:14] <+nate> I just turn sideways on the couch (Yes, I have a couch for my computer seat), pull it up over and zonk out, warm as hell
[23:14] <@James> stop sleeping with sheep you sicko
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[23:15] <+boop> do i get a hug?
06[23:15] * @James hugs boop
06[23:15] * Cammy bops boop
[23:15] <+boop> c:
[23:15] <Cammy> c++
01[23:15] <Ehlanna> I think that'd be a yes, boop
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