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Mithril Weapons

Postby Ishtori on Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:37 am

Well this has come on many ocassions and I'm asking a definite answer here so that it has a place for everyone to look up in case doubt arises.

All mithril weapon on the site already have a 1 point higher than normal attack value and as said in their own description, they already come enchanted with +1 attack on them. Now this has been discussed before with many ops on may an ocasion and always it was told to me (and other players) that the +1 attack enchantment it comes with is already added to the weapon profile. So for an example, a mithril long sword has a 4 attack value and can only be enchanted with +4 to a total of +8... this has always been the case but a situation arouse that one op ruled that the weapon has a 4 base attack value and then gets up to +5 from enchantments (meaning that the already enchanted +1 is not actually added to the base profile) adding to a total of +9 attack.

So it would be good to have a definitive answer to this so everyone will know how it works properly. Thanks in advance.

PS: It would also be good to include the clarification on the weapon's description on the site.
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby miyuka on Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:05 am

All mithril weapons come loaded with a +1 to them, making them one point better at purchased than their non mithril counterpart. They also cost 75% less to enchant. Now, weapons can only be enchanted to a max of +5 attack. That being said, since a mith weapon already has a +1 on it. The most the owner of the weapon would have to do is get the other 4 (4+1=5 max atk enchant)

What this means is that the base atk (currently) on the website shows the weapon with that +1 atk enchant on it already. The intent is that a mithril weapon fully enchanted and it's non mithril counter part both fully enchanted will still equate to the same +atk modifer, but the mithril weapon will have cost a hell of a lot less to have done. Or that if you did not enchant it, that at least your (much more expensive to purchase) mithril weapon already comes slightly more powerful than if you but the non-mithril (but much less expensive) version.


So, for a mithril weapon, as it currently stands if you are looking at the base damage on the weapon page, and your weapon is fully enchanted to the max, it would be that base damage +4
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Avarwraith on Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:22 am

Right, so a Mithril weapon comes with a +1 attack enchant already included in the weapon. And a nice discount on how much the rest of the enchants will cost.

:) so basically its a nice bonus if you go the extra mile to get a mithril weapon as opposed to a steel/wood/etc.
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Vysanth on Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:51 pm

Its probably a good idea to consider the increased price of the Mithril Weapon basically offsets against the cost of the bonus ATK.

Mithril Short Sword 250 Mhl / Short Sword 40 Mhl
Mithril Rapier 300 Mhl / Rapier 40 Mhl
Mithril Long Sword 350 Mhl / Long Sword 60 Mhl
Mithril Scimitar 350 Mhl / Scimitar 60 Mhl

Attack Enchantments cost 100 Mhl for each +1.
Normal weapons max at +5 ATK, costing 500 Mhl altogether.
Mithril Weapons max at +4 ATK, costing 400 Mhl less 25% Mithril discount, which is 300 Mhl.
Hence the following would be the full cost for each pair of fully enchanted items at +5.

7ATK : Mithril Short Sword 550 Mhl / Short Sword 540 Mhl
7ATK : Mithril Rapier 600 Mhl / Rapier 540 Mhl
8ATK : Mithril Long Sword 650 Mhl / Long Sword 560 Mhl
8ATK : Mithril Scimitar 650 Mhl / Scimitar 560 Mhl

As you can see, the cost and benefit doesn't weigh out. You pay more at the beginning, and even fully enchanted, you STILL pay more. So why buy a Mithril weapon ?

Well, Mithril can hold up to 3 enchantments (from http://belariath.com/shops/ss/enchant.html ) and you have savings for ALL THREE of the Enchantments.

In other words, you can put +X ATK / (some Enchantment) / (some Enchantment) on a Mithril weapon / armor, and still have the 25% discount on those Enchantments. This adds up to a lot of Mhl saved if the Enchantments are actually Spells / Enchantments with multiple slots, and you save 25% on each and every slot.

Spell Enchantments: 50 Mhl for the first slot, 100 Mhl for slots 2-5, 250 mhl for slots 6-10, 750 Mhl for slots 11-15

As you can see, you will be saving about 62.5 Mhl per slot from Slots 6-10, and 187.5 Mhl per Slot from Slots 11-15. Spellcasters can also save a large amount of Mhl on Focus Enchantments using a single Mithril item as the "container"

Information in Quotes is outdated as per information by Dev :)
Its important to note that (unless rules have changed since), New Enchantments may not be added to an already enchanted item, without first disenchanting it completely, although Existing Enchantments may be strengthened.

In other words, a Mithril Sword +1 with enchanted with +4 ATK will need to be disenchanted and re-enchanted to become a Mithril Sword +1 enchanted with +4 ATK / Firebolt 15, ie you are paying a second time for the +4 ATK. However, a Mithril Sword +1 enchanted with +2 ATK / Firebolt 3 can be upgraded to +4 ATK / Firebolt 15 simply by "topping up" the cost of the spell slots onto the item.

"But I don't have so much gold!"
Yes, so its best to plan ahead what you want to put on a Mithril item, and start by enchanting it with 3 Enchantments, but with just 1-2 slots. From there, as you get more Mhl, you make the slots stronger :)


Hope that helps explain the more practical aspect, the unspoken question of "How Does Mithril Weapon / Armor save me Mhl?"

In short though : Don't Buy Mithril unless you have Enchantments you'd like to Get on it in Future.
Prev Stand prior notice of Enchantment Rule Change wrote:In short though : Don't Buy Mithril unless you have a Lot of Money and Enchantments you'd like to Get.
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Avarwraith on Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:15 pm

In short though : Don't Buy Mithril unless you have a Lot of Money and Enchantments you'd like to Get.


I don't agree here. Recently it was changed so that you don't have to get all the enchantments at once. So you could buy the sword, put the +atk enchantment on it now, and still have two enchantment slots to fill over time.

It's a good investment, especially if you do plan on decking out your weapon later. Mithril is still mithril even a year down the line. ;)
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Vysanth on Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:33 pm

Recently it was changed so that you don't have to get all the enchantments at once.

Awesome :) Does it apply to Mithril only or to other items as well ?
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Ishtori on Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:39 pm

That actually applies to all things. Now you can enchant at your own pace. You don't have to do all slots at once. you can even remove one enchantment from a slot and reenchant only that slot, leaving the others untouched. Still that is getting away from the topic.

Bottom line is. the already enchanted +1 on mithril wepons is already added to it's profile. This is so that in the future, if doubts arise there will be a place to look up for answers.
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Shoji on Tue May 15, 2012 5:00 pm

Not sure if this is really the best place for this question, as it has nothing to do with enchantments...but I was wondering if anyone else was questioning why there isn't a Mithril Katana listed at all? Was this just overlooked, or is there a reason for it?
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Re: Mithril Weapons

Postby Ehlanna on Tue May 15, 2012 5:43 pm

Shoji wrote:Not sure if this is really the best place for this question, as it has nothing to do with enchantments...but I was wondering if anyone else was questioning why there isn't a Mithril Katana listed at all? Was this just overlooked, or is there a reason for it?

There is a reason ... despite their inclusion (from a looooong time ago) we are trying to move away from 'eastern' style things.
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