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Thria wrote:Obvious questions:
What's the difference between Citizen and Free Person? Why is a Prisoner equal to a citizen? Is there such a thing as an unsecured slave? Is there such a thing as an unowned pet? Slaves are property, but ranked higher than property..
Thria wrote:Suloy/Sulay/Sulat : Unnecessary redundancy that few if any will actually use. Who cares if a slave was born into slavery or not? All slaves in Belariath are of sexual maturity age.
Thria wrote:Unbound Slave: as mentioned elsewhere, this simply doesnt exist.
The second aspects as to "Judges", is IC listing out possible groups or individuals, yet OOC really saying all nobles (OPs), designated ISA employees, and any other character the high council deems. What that does is make it so if there are enough of them on at various times, then issues and problems won't become like court cases and trials yet more instantaneous keeping play flowing.
Once more however.....Having hoped folks would contribute "additions" it all to be picked over and thinned after, i'm not ignorring you yet won't chop at it until finished. Unowned slaves a good example, as we have loads of "slave" background characters, and more so being an IC document would assume numerous slaves out there (NPC's).
Tawny wrote:Can I get something cleared up here please. Kaytoo your talking like you were assigned to do all this or something. If you were I would like to know that. I have not heard where anyone one person was assigned to write up anything. But rather this thread was made for people to talk and come up with idea and hash over others ideas. Please, Not trying to be disrespectful ,but would like clarification.
That said You dont want to chop anything but the fact is that is what I understood this thread to be. A place to hash out things reguarding the ISA and slaves and what is expected of them and so on.
Kumina wrote:All this talk about "slave class" and why we dont have one... blah blah..
I think there should be "Bit" makerer in the character creation/edit that could show characters current social class. Slave is not really an occupation, but social stigmata/class/blessing/insert your preferense here. I play slave character that has some magics, and one of them is purely offensive. If they were totally banned, would she jsut forgot the spell or would it be ripped of her mind by some unearthly ritual... of course, to use that spell, is clear and present violation agaist her social status.
If we would have "Social Class" bit on the character, that would give many RP opportunities I´m quite sure. They could be vague as: Slave -> Branded Criminal -> Freeman -> Guilded -> Brought nobility -> Born noble -> Evil Sith Lord Emperor, or they could be even more vague : slave-free-noble.. but that would hinder its meaning ingame.
With that, you could create "unowned" slaves, like runnaways, slaves to "npc" owner, etc. There could even be "Offlander" as social status, indicating your not from around here..
Social class bit, could allso be indicator os "monthly expenses" freeman will use N mhls monthly to living, when Noble uses N times say.. 20?
(Tawny will have to back me up here but...)
Runaway slaves are still owned by their owner. Running away doesn't free you, only the ISA can do that.
NPC owners is not a good idea because it allows the slave to misbehave without taking responsibility (since the NPC would 'magically' be able to forgive any transgression)
Kaytoo wrote:Seemed rather clear to me;
1. Define the Belaraith mindset on slavery (how does the IC world view it)
2. Define through examples suggested interactions between slaves and their owners and free peoples.
3. Establish acceptable forms of enforcement that kept as much as possible IC.
4. Establish enforcable laws for slaves, free peoples and owners when interactions exceeded acceptable IC societal limits (ex. slave beating a free person half to death for no reason).
K2
gwyneth{StWi} wrote:Kaytoo wrote:Seemed rather clear to me;
1. Define the Belaraith mindset on slavery (how does the IC world view it)
2. Define through examples suggested interactions between slaves and their owners and free peoples.
3. Establish acceptable forms of enforcement that kept as much as possible IC.
4. Establish enforcable laws for slaves, free peoples and owners when interactions exceeded acceptable IC societal limits (ex. slave beating a free person half to death for no reason).
K2
1. mindset of those few who have spoken up seems remarkably similar for the most part already as far as ic goes.. some a bit more strict or a bit more lenient, but in generalities, the same.
2.wouldn't presume to define others interactions between their chars, nor does it feel right to even try. as for gwyn, gwyneth is what she's always been. other chars, gwyn tries to keep them different so they're not all cookie cutters, but generally, respectful of the Free around them within the constraints of their backgrounds and personalities, and when they are not, well, that's sometimes when the best rp happens. (thinks of melanthe's hang ups about humans and Master Infernis for example)
3. gwyneth sees nothing wrong with the current acceptable forms of enforcement.
4. this is the problem we're having the only real *law* that anyone feels necessary for ISA/Imperial enforcement is the one that's already there, or variations thereof. All the rest are more social rules with soical enforcement, general gist being respect shown. The players who are most vocal against any new rules haven't bothered to contribute in the majority towards the discussion at all. so... a girl doesn't know what else to say that hasn't been said.
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